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Reviewed by Ryan McLaughlin on 03/08/2008
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With the advent of digital media content for computers, Home Theater PCs (HTPC) have become much more popular. Individuals want to be able to show their pictures, music and videos on their TVs. A home theater PC is the perfect way to do that because it can connect to a network to get content and to a TV to display that content. I decided to build one and I choose the MSI Media Live platform to build it on.

Features

  • Slim design
  • Slot-load Slim DVD Burner
  • On-board Graphics of NVIDIA GeForce 6150LE
  • Gigabit LAN
  • HDMI

There were several reasons that I chose the MSI Media Live platform. One of them is because it is a bare bones PC. This means it includes a motherboard with built-in video, power supply, and DVD drive. All I needed to add was a CPU, memory and a hard drive.

Another reason I chose the Media Live is because of its slim design. I really didn’t want a big box sitting next to my TV so I wanted something that would fit in with my other equipment. The design of the Media Live makes it look great and provides all the functionality I would expect from a Audio Video component.

Design

When I first pulled the Media Live out of the box it looked a lot like any other piece of stereo equipment. The front of the Media Live includes a slot loading DVD drive on the left side, a VDF display in the middle with controls underneath, and a power button on the right side. Under the DVD player is a door that flips down to reveal a 4 slot memory card reader, two USB ports, a Firewire port, and a headphone and microphone jack. The VDF display on the front is not customizable, meaning you cannot change the text that is displayed, but it does a great job of telling you what is going on. It shows the names of videos that are playing, the Channel the tuner is set to and it even shows when the tuner is recording.

Media Live

Media Live

Left panel open

Left panel open

Left panel

Left panel

The sides and top are bare except for a lot of vents for releasing heat.

Top vents

Top vents

The back is where you will find all the connectors you will need to connect this to your TV, Stereo or anything else you want. On the back are Component Video Out, RCA Audio out, HDMI, VGA, four USB ports, Ethernet jack, Firewire, SCART, AV out, S-Video, Digital Audio out (Coaxial and Optical). There is also a single PCI expansion slot for an add-in card of your choosing.

Back

Back

When you open the case it looks just like the inside of a computer. Right in the center is the CPU slot, in the bottom left is the power supply. Top left is the hard drive cage, and the top right is the slot loading DVD drive.

Case open

Case open

The Media Live comes with its own heatsink. This one is custom made to provide the best cooling possible and still fit in the tight space that you have. The Media Live also comes with Thermal Paste already applied, all you need to do is put the heatsink in place. I compared the heatsink with the one that came with the processor and it looks like they are the same height. This means I could probably swap them out if I ever needed to.

MSI Heatsink

MSI Heatsink

MSI Heatsink side

MSI Heatsink side

MSI Heatsink thermal paste

MSI Heatsink thermal paste

Processor Heatsink

Processor Heatsink

Processor Heatsink side

Processor Heatsink side

Heatsink compare

Heatsink compare

Assembly

Putting it all together is not that difficult. Because the Media Live is a bare bones computer it is mostly assembled when you get it. The most you have to do is install a CPU, Memory, and a Hard drive, all this should not take more than 30 minutes. If you follow the instructions they suggest that you start out by installing the hard drive first. In order to install the hard drive you first need to remove the hard drive cage. This is done by removing the front cover and unscrewing two screws in the front. The hard drive cage then comes out very easy. Next, you put the hard drive into the cage and secure it with the screws that are included. After the hard drive is in the cage you should plug in the power and SATA cable, and then secure the cage to the case with the front screws. Luckily there is a SATA cable and a couple power plugs waiting to be plugged into the hard drive. I recommend attaching the cables before you put the cage back, because once the cage is back in place there is not very much room between the hard drive and the power supply. If you want to add a second hard drive MSI included a second SATA cable in the box. All you have to do is plug it in and you are good to go.

Front cover

Front cover

Front removed

Front removed

Drive cage screws

Drive cage screws

Drive cage

Drive cage

Hard drive in cage

Hard drive in cage

Drive cage area

Drive cage area

Hard drive installed

Hard drive installed

Hard Drive connectors

Hard Drive connectors

After you install the hard drive the instructions say the next step is to install the DVD drive. Lucky for me the DVD drive was already installed, so I could skip this step.

The next step, if you have one, is to install a PCI card. I chose to install a dual tuner TV card. As you can see it goes in nicely, but it also takes up a lot of space. If you don’t have a tuner you could put in a graphics card in case you need better video performance. There is a small lip that sticks out of the back of the case that the card will screw into. Normally this is on the inside of the case, but because things are so cramped it had to be put on the outside.

Riser card

Riser card

Tuner installed

Tuner installed

Instructions now say it is time to install the CPU and heatsink. This is by far the most difficult step, but that doesn’t mean it is difficult to do. Installing the CPU is the easiest part of this, all you need to do is lift the small lever on the side of the CPU socket, place the CPU in, and push the lever back down. You must make sure that the CPU is installed correctly, otherwise it will not fit and it could be damaged when you lower the lever. There is only one way that the processor will fit, so it is hard to mess up. If the processor does not fit all the way down then you know it is the wrong way. Make sure you follow the instructions precisely so you don’t run into any problems. Installing the heatsink is a bit more difficult than installing the CPU. To do this the fan needs to be plugged in first. The power connector is difficult to get to, so you may need to work at it a bit. Then you install the heatsink on the CPU. This is difficult, but if you follow the instructions then it can be done without any trouble. Normally you would need to put down some thermal grease first, but this heatsink already has some on it. Most hard core guys will probably want to wipe that off and use there own high quality grease, but for this installation I am going to use the thermal grease which has already been applied. The tricky part of installing the heatsink is there is a small little latch on one side and above that is a slot for a flat head screwdriver. So what you have to do is first get the other side hooked on to the CPU bracket and then use a screwdriver to press down on the side that has the latch, and then reach in with your finger and press the latch closed. When I first tried this I did not use a screwdriver and I was unable to get it attached. So if you don’t have a flat screwdriver you should go get one before you try this, preferably one with a long neck.

CPU slot empty

CPU slot empty

CPU slot open

CPU slot open

Processor Bottom

Processor Bottom

CPU in slot

CPU in slot

Heatsink installed

Heatsink installed

Media Live inside

Media Live inside

The last step is installing the Memory. This is really easy, just match up the slots and press down hard. The Memory will snap into place and the latches will close. It only fits one direction so make sure it is correct before you press down on it.

Memory slots

Memory slots

Memory installed

Memory installed

Once it is all put together it is time to load the OS. I first started out with Vista Ultimate, but ended up using Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005, the reason for this I will talk about later.

Performance

Now comes the fun part, testing the capabilities and performance of the machine. To do this I moved it up to my TV and put it next to my VCR and DVD player. I used the HDMI connection to connect the Media Live to my TV. The first problem I ran into happened as soon as I turned it on. The picture was too big for my TV and it ran off the edges. I found out that this is a common occurrence when hooking up a computer to a TV, it is called overscan. There are some configurations in the NVIDIA drivers that can be used to compensate for this. Unfortunately, they did not work perfectly and I was left with a picture that fit on my screen but was off to the right a little.

The next problem came when I tried to play video. The video would play, but it was very jumpy, the oddest part was that the audio was fine, it was just the video that was jumpy. I checked the processor and memory in Task Manager, but they did not seem out of control, I checked to make sure all the latest drivers were installed, and finally I checked the Windows Experience Index rating in the Vista Control Panel. This is when the lights came on. The overall score was 2.3 out of 6.0 and this was because the graphics portion of the rating was 2.3. The hard drive, CPU, and memory all had great ratings, but the one that mattered the most was really bad. This is a really bad score and is probably the reason the video did not play very well. The Media Live uses the NVIDIA 6150LE chip. This chip is several years old and even though the NVIDIA website says it is capable of running Vista it obviously does not do it very well. In an effort to try and salvage all my hard work I went through and tried to tweak every setting I could think of to give the graphics chip more power. I went into the BIOS and increased the amount of memory for graphics to the maximum setting of 128MB, I turned off all the extras in Vista, and I made sure I had the latest nForce and graphics drivers. Needless to say, nothing I did helped the performance. At this point I was ready to throw in the towel, but then I got the idea to load on XP Media Center 2005 and give it a try. Fortunately, I bought a computer a couple years ago that came with disks for XP Media center, so I used those disks and installed it without a key so I could get a 30 day trial. To make a long story short I am happy to say that this worked much better and I did not have any problems playing video.

The next problem I had to tackle was the noise level. I could easily hear the Media Live from all the way across the room. All the fans were spinning full blast. This concerned me because I felt it would get in the way of enjoying my movies and other media. I downloaded a heat monitoring program and noticed that the system and CPU heat was way too high. In addition, the outside of the case was extremely hot. I tried to lift the case and I could not hold it because it burned my hand. I actually had to turn it off and let it sit for about 10 minutes before I could hold it. I decided to take the Media Live out of the spot I had it in and see if I could get better circulation by placing it on top of my entertainment center. After doing this and letting the computer run for several hours, I am happy to say the temperature was about 20° C lower. The fan noise was also reduced and I could no longer hear it unless I was within about 2 feet. When the system is idling I cannot hear it unless I put my ear right on it. The one remaining noise concern is the hard drive. As you probably noticed from above, when I put the hard drive in the case there was not padding or anything that would help reduce the noise level of the drive. Because of this I can hear the hard drive clicking as it records and plays back. It is quiet enough that it does not bother me, and when I am watching a show the sound form the TV easily covers it up, but when nothing else is going on I can clearly hear the hard drive from across the room.

At this point I had solved all the problems that I was having. Everything is working great and I am able to stream music, DVDs and photos without any problems.

Warranty and Support

The warranty is non-existent, except where each part has a warranty. It is up to you, the builder, to make sure you buy parts that have manufacturer warranties.

Conclusion

While I was very disappointed with the performance of Vista, I am happy I was able to get it working with XP. It seems the video chip is underpowered for Vista and it is getting harder to get copies of XP. Hopefully MSI will update it soon and in the next revision of the Media Live MSI will improve the video chip. If you are planning on using this case in your own HTPC, then I recommend that you use XP. I did not try Vista Home premium, so it is possible it would perform better. Additionally, you will need to make sure the case is out in the open so that it has plenty of air to keep it cool. I think the Media Live has a lot of potential, but it needs a few improvements to make it a really big success. I was able to put this system together for $564.96. Here is a list of all the parts I bought:

Hard Drive:
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3500630AS $119.99

Case:
MSI Media Live $339.99

RAM:
Kingston ValueRAM 1GB KVR800D2N5K2/2G $44.99

CPU:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+ Brisbane 2.1GHz $59.99

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12 Comments

  • hginsburg says:

    Your article is great. I’m currently researching a setup almost identical to what you put together. The only thing you don’t list is the make and model of the TV tuner card. What did you go with?

    Thanks,
    -Howard

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  • I used the Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-500. I wrote a review about it a while ago and it has been working so good I thought I would give it a try in my HTPC.

    I should also take this opportunity to add an update to the review. After using the MSI case for a couple months I discovered a problem with the IR receiver. The IR receiver that is built into the front of the case does not always work very well. If I am sitting off to the side it does not work at all. I have to be right in front of it and fairly close. Sometimes I end up having to hold down the button on the remote for a few seconds before it picks up the signal. The oddest part is that there is a red light that comes on when the case gets an IR signal. That red light comes on whenever I use a remote, but the machine does not respond. I have tried the remote that came with the WinTV-PVR-500 and a Harmony 880, both are the same.

    I ended up using the IR receiver that came with the WinTV-PVR-500 and it works much better. I can use it from just about any angle and any distance. However, before it would work I had to disable the receiver on the case. So far I have been using this for a month and it is working perfectly.

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  • mamikel says:

    Thanks very much for taking the time to publish this article I was keen to get some user feedback on this case as it ticks many boxes on paper.

    It is odd that MSI don’t publish the PSU wattage and the video chip given that these are such critical components.

    Do you know the wattage of the PSU? I couldn’t find it on the MSI site. That might also be a concern particularly if the O/S chosen is Vista – I much prefer XP MCE but I’m in the minority . :)

    I wonder if I should stick with my original idea of using a laptop. It’s hard to go past them – they have the low power consumption, inbuilt wireless and plenty of connectivity not to mention if the power goes out, you have a good couple of hours of battery life and of course an inbuilt monitor in case you need to work close up. :)

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  • You are correct that MSI does not publish the PSU wattage, but they do publish the Video chipset. I looked up the PSU and it is 300W, and on the MSI website they list the Video chip as a GeForce 6150LE.

    I cannot argue with the idea of using a laptop as long as you get one with a decent graphics chip. That is my biggest complaint about the Media Live, it has a weak graphics chip. I was forced to run XP MCE 2005 because the video chip could not handle Vista Ultimate.

    A laptop would not have the display that is on the front of the Media Live, but after having mine for a while I find that I hardly ever use it. I also never use the buttons that are underneath. The other negative to using a laptop is having an external tuner. Having an internal tuner with a decoder card built-in is great because it takes the decoding job away from the CPU and puts in on the card. This leaves the CPU free to do other tasks, like making up for a weak video chip, processing audio and running the OS. If you don’t have built-in decoding I would recommend a high end dual core CPU.

    A laptop would have the benefit of not taking up a lot of space and having a built-in keyboard and screen. If you can I would avoid wireless. Whenever I have tried it the performance has been less than wired. Since you would be streaming video and audio, possibly HD, a wired connection is needed for the bandwidth.

    If you do use a laptop I would be interested in your experience.

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  • Hi. Thanks for a good review. I just bought one and a got the same first problem sa you had, the desktop does not fit on the screen. I’m using the HDMI 1080i connection. Have tried all I can think of with the driver but nothing works. The closest thing was with the resolution of 1768*960 or something like that. Then it fitted on the screen but the lower half of the screen just looked like the rainbow. What did you do to make the screen fit? By the way, I use Vista home premium and it plays video very well without problem. I have 4 GB ram 800 MHz and a AMD Athlon 64 X2 5400+ 2,8 GHz. Thanks in advance from Sweden.

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  • If you open up the display properties and go into the advanced settings there should be some settings for stretching the screen. I know this is not the best solution, but it was all I could find. In addition, my screen is not completely filled. There is still a bit of black on the left side of my screen.

    I also noticed that different TV’s handle the input from the device differently. If you are seeing rainbow effects this may be a problem with your TV. Are you by chance using a DLP TV? Rainbows are fairly common in some DLPs. I am using an LCD and I have never seen rainbows in the display.

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  • I just wanted to let you all know that the power supply on my Media Live just recently died and I had to send it back to MSI for repairs. The process went fairly smoothly. I had to remove all the hardware that I had added before I sent it back, which is a big pain. The turn around time was really quick I sent it in on Nov 4, and it was returned on Nov 14. 10 days is not that long, but I certainly missed it while it was gone.

    Because of this experience I have decided to buy a different case for my future needs. I have purchased a Antec Fusion Remote and so far I am really impressed. I was able to get this case and a motherboard and it is actually less expensive than the MSI case. I will be writing a more detailed review later, but for now you may want to check it out.

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  • I’ve been looking around for information about this case and found the review quite useful but thought I’d add this for anyone thinking of running vista using this chipset. It seems that a lot of stuttering video in vista is caused by the mpeg2 decoder which can be resolved by using a 3rd party solution. See http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.......msg898047

    Hope this helps

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  • I am running Windows Vista Ultimate with Media Center and it works very well. I have 4 GB of RAM though, Vista seems to like that. Mine is also getting really hot. I have a Athlon X2 5000 CPU, changing that to a 45W CPU now might cool it down I hope.

    Now the PSU seems to have died too, the machine is just dead when I try to turn it on. Did you return the full case w/PSU or just the PSU?

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  • Because it was all packaged together I returned it all together.

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  • Ryan,

    Can you tell me if these units can “upscale” SDTV up to HDTV? like 720i/p or 1080i/p?

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