How I got a Droid Incredible on the Verizon Network without having to pay a data fee
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Reviewed by Ryan McLaughlin on 06/15/2010
  • Bobby

    Everything still working fine? I am SERIOUSLY thinking about following in your footsteps as I am in wifi coverage almost all the time, so can’t justify the extra 30 a month.

    My plan ends in a few weeks and my current phone is in perfect condition and suits my needs. I’ve been wrestling with getting a free phone (for calls and text) and an ipod touch (for wifi, music and fun), however, then my old phone wont get any use and I will have to carry multiple items, and it will have a crappy camera (I use my current phone as a my digital camera). So your loop hole seems to solve everything.

    I was even thinking about getting the incredible and saying I broke it and reactivating my old phone, which wouldn’t require a data plan. Then just using the incredible as an ipod touch with a camera. It comes with more memory and features than an ipod touch and would cost less. If your loop hole falls through for whatever reason, can you see any reason I couldnt or shouldnt do this??? Thanks a TON man,
    Bobby

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      Everything is still working fine, and I am still very happy. There have only been a couple times that I thought it would be nice to have data, but certainly not $30/month nice.

      If you want to get an Incredible and use it as an iPod Touch then look for one that has a bad ESN. This only means you cannot use it as a phone, and the price is about half.

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      • Bobby

        Would getting one with a bad ESN be dangerous in that it might have other problems? I really don’t know anything about an ESN but it sounds like a “bad” one would mean something is broken, in which case something else could be broken? Idk. Does that seem like a good idea though? Do you know if there would be any problems… like not being able to get apps or something?

        Also, I read on a forum that just having apps collects data and then when you get into 3G coverage or take it off airplane mode (what are you using to keep the 3G off? btw) they will pile in automatically. Have you tried using some of the 50MB you got? I’m afraid that I’ll turn it on for something and then get overages. Thoughts?

        THANKS AGAIN for the help!

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        • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

          A bad ESN does not mean that anything is broken. It just means that Verizon will not activate the phone. This could be because the previous owner owes them money, or the phone was reported lost or stolen. It will not stop you from using WiFi and all apps can be downloaded via WiFi.

          It is also very easy to keep 3G turned off, there are three setting in the network settings that I keep off always, “Mobile network”, “Mobile Broadband Connect”, and in “Mobile networks” I turn off data roaming and I set the roaming mode to “home only” so I don’t get roaming charges. Here are a few images to show my settings. If you lok at the last image it shows where I briefly turned on “Mobile network” there is a 3G icon that appears at the very top of the screen to show that you are using data.

          Wireless & networks Mobile networks Roaming Mode 3G on

          Since I am using a WiFi network all the apps use that instead of 3G so there is no pileup. Even if I had 3G turned on, as long as I am connected to WiFi it always takes priority.

          I have been considering turning it on for a day or hour just to see how much data I would use. In order for it to be a true test I would have to turn off WiFi, otherwise it would not use the 3G. I will update the post if I try it.

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          • Bobby

            Perfect. Thanks man. I think I got my head around this now. If I have more questions, I guess I’ll post them here… hope you don’t mind all the questions. I’m sure they’ll be helping others, though. Should be trying this in the next few weeks. Thanks again

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          • Bobby

            Ryan, I know you’ve turned off 3G and all, but I’ve read some reviews about people getting mysterious bills where the phone is automatically using data (probably just from pushing)… and of course there’s always people on any type of plan getting pissed and writing about this, usually it’s their own fault anyway. But I just want to check and make sure what you did and what I’ll be doing in a few days is confirmed that no data overages will occur while only using wifi. Is it possible to check your bill online? Is your first month up yet? (I doubt it judging by the post date), or would you be willing to call their customer service to confirm your data usage is correct/low??? that would be an amazzzzzing weight lifted from my mind and others’ as well. So glad I found this page. Thanks again man

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          • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

            I understand your concerns, but there is really nothing to worry about. If data overage is your biggest concern then you can have Page Plus block all data on their end. This way you will never use any data, not even by accident, you can leave all your data settings on and Page Plus will block it. If something does go catastrophically wrong then you would also have an argument to get Page Plus to reverse the charges since they were in charge of blocking it.

            As a side note I did check my account. Page Plus may not have a very fancy, but they do provide almost real-time call/data information. According to my account I have 49.97 MB (out of 50 MB) of data remaining and my account was last replenished on 6/15/2010. This means in 15 days I have only used .03 MB of data. This would account for when I turned data on to get the screen shots above, and for the other small tests I have done.

            So I have no fear about using up all my data. In fact on the very last day of this period I am thinking of turning on data just to see how much I could use in a normal day. I doubt I would use 50MB in one day unless I was watching YouTube videos or something else that is data intensive.

            I think you will be very happy with the end result, but let us know how it works for you and if you have any other experiences.

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          • Bobby

            I think we’ve now covered all the bases haha. I’m all set to go then, just waitin for my contract to end and lookin for a good incredible. I’m stoked.

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          • Bobby

            I have ordered the phone and am just waiting for it to come in so I can finish this up (just fyi I guess), but I thought of two random questions that I thought could be best answered here. First, with the 1200 texts… is there a character limit for a single text? Like on verizon when you text a non-verizon phone it can only be 160 characters.

            And my other question you probably don’t know but I wont be back in to call customer service to find out until tomorrow morning so I thought I’d try… do you know how to tell which phones do not require a data plan with regular verizon service? Each current phone says if it’s needed, and the minimum plan, but what about phones that were internet capable but didn’t require a data plan. These would be currently discontinued phones like the dare and voyager. Where is the cut off?… My brother broke his phone and wants to find a used one that is of the most current models that were pre-data requirement.

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          • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

            1. According to this article all text messages are limited to 160 characters.

            2. I think it is both the plan and the phone that determine if data is required. If your brother signed up for a smart phone before data was required then he would be grandfathered and allowed to keep that plan without data. However, anyone new would not get that plan. He may still be grandfathered in to the old plan. If this is true then he can pick any phone, or Verizon may use this as a reason to force him to a new plan that requires data. To be 100% sure you would have to contact Verizon.

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          • Bobby

            thanks, will contact vzw in the morning. text character limit is no big deal, just curious. it makes sense for it to be 160

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          • Bobby

            There’s no reason that this all wouldn’t work on a droid x, right? I prefer the incredible, but I will be getting my phone thru verizon via my brother’s contract upgrade (he will use his current dumbphone) to save money (both are 199) but the incredible will have a pretty long wait. My verizon plan will be terminated in a few days, so I could fill in the wait time by just settling for an X. Any thoughts? The motoblur UI should have the same disabling options as your screenshots above right? That is, if that is even a function of UI, it might just be OS stuff but idk cause I don’t have one quite YET :)

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          • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

            It should work. I think the disabling stuff is part of the OS, but if for some reason the Droid X does not have it then you could always sell it on eBay and buy an Incredible from eBay or Craigslist.

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  • victor

    This is a great idea! I’ve been really looking into page plus, and was wondering if the incredible would work out, but I thought it will require some flashing or some techie stuff. I’m not a techie, but love new gadgets. Is it a simple transition using the incredible on pageplus, or does it require some flashing?
    also is there an activation fee on pageplus?

    Victor

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      I didn’t have to change anything with the software, so no flashing, rooting, or anything else. This is only possible because Page Plus is a Verizon partner and they use the Verizon network.

      There is a $10 activation fee if you are not transferring a number. If you are transferring a number then the fee is $0.

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  • Bobby

    Does that number have to be from verizon to have it be $0? And I assume it doesn’t have free verizon to verizon calling right? That would be a stretch but it popped into my head with them using the vzw network.

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      The number can come from anywhere, I transferred an old Fax number.

      This is a no frills plan, so no free anything (mobile to mobile, roaming, or anything else). It is great for saving money, but not for people that need the frills.

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  • Rodie

    Ryan,

    Thanks for posting this, it seems really helpful and actually not that complicated. I have a question though, I’m not sure you can answer. I’m looking to do the same thing you did except with the HTC Imagio instead of the Droid Incredible. My only concern is that the Imagio may not have the option to turn data off like the Droid does. Do you know if this is a standard option in smartphones? Thanks again!

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      Page Plus can block data from their end. This works on all phones and ensures you never accidentally turn it back on.

      I also did a quick Google search and saw this forum. It has Windows Mobile specific answers.

      BTW congratulations on being the 666th comment on our website.

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  • Bobby

    Ryan, I was thinking of trying this… do you know of any reason it wouldn’t work? Like I said, my verizon plan (family plan) ends soon and I can’t justify the money for a data plan, and neither can my brother, so he was just going to get a free flip phone. Could he get an incredible from verizon and pay for a data plan for the first month (I would pay for him), and then say he broke it after a day or two and activate his current phone (better than a free flip phone)? That way I end up with a new incredible for 199 (plus 30 for the first month) and he can stay on the family plan while I go to page plus? Do they have restrictions against deactivating so quickly so people don’t sell it? I feel like they do or should, but then how could you have gotten a day old activated phone offline? Thoughts?

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      I would never encourage you to be deceptive. They may give the phone a bad ESN if they think you are trying to cheat them. I would recommend that you go into a Verizon store and ask them. What is the worst they could do, say no?

      I really don’t think they would give you a hard time about deactivating the phone after just one day. In fact that is probably what happened to the person I bought my phone from. He said he only used it for a couple days and deactivated it.

      If they say that deactivating the phone is not allowed, then you can always go to your first idea.

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      • Bobby

        I just thought they would have something in place to stop people from getting a new one cheap with a new contract and then selling it to make profit. Either way I guess they’re still making money, but they sell the smartphones for 99 or 199 simply because they make so much on the required data plan. I guess I’ll just go in and ask.

        Another question though: where can I find the necessary info about page plus? By that I mean, do they have stores or is it just online? I looked for a nearby page plus using mapquest and the only things that came up looked like private businesses that sell phones for multiple carriers (I don’t really know what they are as I’ve only ever gone to verizon, but I think one was called phone world).

        Is the only restriction to activate on page plus that the phone has to be unlocked?

        Thanks again Ryan. Sorry to throw so many questions at you. This potentially could save our family some money and get me what I want at a reasonable price, so I am hesitant because I don’t want to mess things up and be left having paid even more.

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        • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

          As far as I could tell they are online only.

          There are two restrictions (listed in the original post), but only one of them applies to the Droid Incredible (it has to be unlocked).

          I had the same concern as you, but if everything goes wrong and you end up with a Droid Incredible that you cannot use, you can always resell it on eBay and at worst be out $20 or so (if it sells for less than what you paid for it). This was a risk I was willing to take, but since it worked for me I don’t have any concerns about it working for you.

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  • Justin Phillips

    Ryan, thank you very much for posting this helpful information, how would you switch from Page Plus to Boost Mobile?

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      I have not researched this very much, but when I was on the Boost Mobile website I saw that they support CDMA phones. This leads me to believe that they must have a process in place transferring service. I imagine it would only take a quick call to their customer support to start the number porting process, then as soon as that is done you would pick a plan and go. Sorry I don’t have more details. If I ever do switch I will make sure to update the post and let everyone know.

      If you are considering this I would call Boost mobile and make sure it is possible before committing to anything.

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  • Harold Stark

    I am not good with technology and I am hoping to get this phone. ( I’ve never had a phone before). I am confused at which one to buy on eBay. What does unlocked mean? If they’re new are they activated with Verizon wireless? Thank you for your help.

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      Unlocked just means that the phone has already been activated, or used with Verizon.

      New phones are not unlocked because they need to be activated, and that would make them used. However, some sellers (like the guy I bought from) are marking phones as new even though they have been used for a couple days. Make sure you ask the seller if it has been activated and also make sure it has a clean ESN.

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  • Harold Stark

    so do i just search eBay for an unlocked Droid Incredible, or do you prefer Amazon.com. Any advice would be helpful,thanks?

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      You will probably have better luck with eBay.

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  • Droid page plus user

    This works awesome. I just picked up a Motorola droid a few days ago brand new for $220 from craigslist. The guy got one of those 2 for 1 deals but never activated it. So I Activated it on Page plus. I don’t know why they are telling you it already had to be activated as mine was not. I just went to a page plus dealer and he did it for me right there. Also I had him transfer over my old number and he did it instantly. No waiting.

    But get this. I use the prepaid cards instead of a plan. Buy a $10 card that lasts 4 months. Then you download google voice app. With a couple other programs you can then make calls through the internet (the WiFi you are using) and send text messages. So you will not be using any minutes at all. You just have to buy a new $10 card every 4 months to keep service. So theoretically if you make most of your calls at home and near WiFi it could only cost you $2.50 a month for your wireless phone and data! There are a couple ways of doing this. However google bought out the company that was doing it best and they are not accepting new users now. So I suspect that google will perfect it and integrate voip over WiFi and then release it on google voice. Nice. I think Skype has a plan also for mobile wifi calls (but costs a few bucks a month, fair enough though).

    Either way I just got the phone and haven’t tinkered with all the voip stuff yet. Others have been doing it though. And it needs a bit more streamlining it sounds like but does work. For now I’m just using the prepaid since I don’t use my phone much anyway. The minutes roll over for 120 days. At 120 days you need to buy more minutes and whatever is left over from the last card now gets rerolled again for another 120 days with the new card. I don’t use many minutes so even without voip for now I could easily get away with like 250 minutes a month and have it only cost me $12.50 a month for my phone and data (buying the $50 cards that have 1000 minutes and last 120 days). Using my droid on WiFi currently for data is working perfectly too.

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    • Bobby

      could this have been unlocked when he bought it from verizon? theoretically, it shouldn’t be able to be activated. but hey, if it works then great job haha

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    • Sterling

      I’m looking into google voice on this too!! How much data do you get with the prepaid card and how much does google voice use (per minute would be nice too!) for calls and for texts? Thanks for the info!! Links would be great to where you find others doing this :)

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      • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

        You don’t get any data if you just buy minutes. If you want to use Google Voice like the above poster, then you would need to use a WiFi connection. That way you would have unlimited data.

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        • Sterling

          Okay, thanks for the input :) Do you know how much data per minute google voice is? I’m thinking for the 20MB you get a month on the other plans, for calling and texting would it be worth it? The Voice app uses the data if I remember right :)

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          • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

            I don’t know how much data Google Voice uses. The only way to figure that out would be to use it for a few minutes and then check your account and see how much data was subtracted. The 20MB a month from Page Plus comes with the Unlimited plan. If you get the unlimited plan then you won’t need Google Voice because you will have Unlimited Talk and Text. Unless I didn’t understand you last sentence.

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  • Sterling

    This is freaking amazing!!! I just have a few questions, reading through a bunch of posts and your intelligence on the topic (through biting the bullet and experimenting).
    1. Could you do this on ANY droid (eris, incredible, etc.)?
    2. If the droid has been activated before but now has a bad ESN, can you still use it on Boost or Page Plus?
    3. What’s the coverage like on PP or Boost? Is PP’s EXACTLY like Verizon’s since it’s the same network, just Pay-As-You-Go?
    4. Would you be able to have a friends and family plan, similar to Verizon? I want to use Google Voice as much as possible with that! :D
    5. Thanks for all your hard works and research shared!! I, too, have been wondering this for MONTHS now!!! You rock :)

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      1. You should be able to use any phone that is compatible with Verizon.
      2. I would say no. Since the phone is still using the Verizon network I don’t think they would allow one of their partners to activate a phone with a bad ESN. An alternative would be to use Google Voice only. This way you don’t have to activate the phone, just use WiFi.
      3. Since Page Plus uses the Verizon network it would be exactly like Verizon. They also have a coverage map on their website. With Boost I would assume it is is the same, but you can check their coverage map also.
      4. Page Plus does not offer any friends and family stuff. Google voice is only good if you have lots of data. So make sure you are always using WiFi with Google Voice.
      5. Thanks

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      • Sterling

        Thanks!! Those were the answers I was expecting and coming to a conclusion on myself, I think I will call them sometime!! My only question left that I don’t think I addressed was if they have a family plan, meaning could we have pay-as-you-go for multple cell numbers at one price? I guess I just need to call them lol, I’m so antsie because all our bills for the family just ended and we could sooo use this!!

        If all else fails and we stick with Verizon (love them to death, don’t get me wrong!) I will just stick to getting a bad ESN droid and taking it with me places that have wifi for google voice and using as a PDA otherwise (similar to what you were doing before). Good thing college + work + home = free wifi almost 24/7!! :D

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        • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

          I know you can have more than one phone on an account, but I don’t think they share minutes. You will probably have to call Page Plus to be sure.

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          • Sterling

            Thanks!! I’m already working out a deal on my local craigslist for a droid with a good ESN for the same price ebay has them with a bad ESN!!! That way, I’m safe whatever I decide to do!!

            PEOPLE, LOOK AT YOUR LOCAL CRAIGSLIST FOR PEOPLE SELLING THEIR DROIDS!!! YOU GET BETTER DEALS THERE!!!!

            Dude, you rock. I must say, I highly appreciate all the work you have done into making this super easy and stress-free tutorial!! :D :D

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          • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

            Be careful with Craigslist. I have heard stories about people that claim to sell phones with a good ESN, but in fact it has a bad ESN. I would take a phone with you to the deal, and before you pay for it, call Verizon and verify the ESN is good. You should be able to see the ESN in the phone settings. Make sure the seller charges the phone so you can see it.

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  • victor

    I got myself a droid few day’s ago on craigslist, in good condition for $100. Ever since the new Iphone came out more and more droids are on the market, and also are negotiable. The transition to page plus was easy, i did not use any dealer’s I just did everything myself, very painless process. Dealer’s wanted $35 to activate. I did it myself, had to wait for ~10 minute for representative.
    I installed a WIFI widget, and got an app to turn off the data plan, and it works flawlessly.
    Ryan I had a question regarding Google Voice, I believe you have to have an actual working line, and not just wifi. Doesn’t GV work by calling a local Google voice # which then makes calls off to you destination. If it was just wifi, then we would be able to use on international trips am I correct?

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      I thought Google Voice used VOIP to make and receive calls, but I could be wrong. If not, then it would still use your minutes and not provide any benefit. I really don’t know that much about Google Voice so take everything I say with some skepticism.

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      • Sterling

        Google Voice is similar to VOIP, except imagine that the VOIP part is done at Google’s home base. Here’s how it works: John calls your GV number, which goes to the GV supercomputer (or w/e it is), which then forwards the call to your phone (your GV # calls you). You see a call from John, not knowing it’s GV calling you. You answer and talk to each other like normal, and that’s it. Your service provider sees you received a call from your GV # and since it’s on your friends and family plan, you get unlimited minutes to/from it. When you make a call, it’s flipped. You call GV then dial a # (or if it’s the GV app, just type in the # like normal), which forwards to the GV mainframe and calls John. John sees you are calling, not GV. Our case scenario: GV operates the same, but you use data instead of minutes. Since it will use data vs. minutes, we want to be connected to wifi so we get free data. Let me know if my rambling made any sense!! :D I’ll see if I can make a diagram if you’re still confused ;)

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        • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

          Ok, the first part makes sense, but that won’t work with Page Plus since they don’t have Friends and Family free calls.

          Now the second part where you say “GV operates the same, but you use data instead of minutes” would work for us, but how do we force it to not call our cell number so it won’t use minutes, or is this just for outgoing calls?

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  • Sterling

    I know it wouldn’t work, that was for “regular phone plan” explanation.

    On GV website, there is an option to “Forward to phone” or to not do so. I’m assuming that you just uncheck that and to get a call forwarded to your droid… uhhh…. I see the dilemma lol!! Making calls would be easy, just open the app and call/text. But to receive a call (texting would be easy), hmm… I’ll have to research that more! There must be a way though, someone else must have done it sometime!! :D

    Picking up a good ESN droid today for $140 thanks to you Ryan!

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  • Terra

    Can I use a brand new, no contract Droid or does it have to be activated/used? I see a lot of BN, no contract Droid Incredibles on eBay, but I think they haven’t been activated yet, have they?

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      The phone must be unlocked before it can be used. The only way to unlock the phone is to activate it. Even if it is only activated for 1 day that is enough. You can use a new phone, but you will have to activate it with Verizon before Page Plus can use it.

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      • Droid page plus user

        It should not have to be activated first. At least where I’m at in California it didn’t. When I first signed up for page plus a few days before I got my Droid I bought a brand new verizon phone so I could use on my new page plus account. The page plus dealer is just a generic cell phone dealer. He sells brand new phones from a few companies. So I bought one of his brand new verizon phones. He transferred my old number from AT&T and activated my brand new verizon phone on page plus right there. Took only a few minutes. It cost me $20 to activate my new account and new phone.

        A few days later I bought the brand new in the box unactivated Droid from Craigslist (he had a two for one deal, never used this one and never needed to since he had his other first droid). I took my other new verizon phone back and returned it for a full refund. The page plus guy then activated my brand new unused and unactivated droid for free. And I was good to go.

        Oh and make sure you turn off app syncing and background data. Or you’ll get data use as it tries to sync every time you turn on your phone. It comes out to about 50 cents a day if you don’t turn it off (but you’ll have to turn it back on to use the app market though, just turn it back off when you’re done. You can download toggle apps though that make it real easy with one click.

        When I originally called page plus (the support line not the dealer) and asked them to activate my old AT&T phone they obviously couldn’t because it’s AT&T. However they told me to go buy a new phone and they will activate it. They never mentioned anything about me having to activate it on Verizon first. They just said go buy it and call page plus back and they will activate it. Honestly it doesn’t even make sense why it would need to be activated on verizon first then cancelled. And I don’t get why someone made the original poster do this.

        I guess I would say just go find a page plus dealer in your area (they are usually just those generic dealers that sell for multiple carriers) before you do anything and have him activate it. Or at least see what he says about it in your area. I just don’t think you’ll have a problem with it though if you buy a brand new unactivated phone.

        I’m just baffled that the poster was made to buy an already activated phone first. Maybe some other people can chime in with their experience and location and maybe we can get a better consensus on this issue. As for me personally I had no problems what so ever activating not one but two brand new phones on page plus.

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        • Sterling

          The OP says that you should have a pre-activated phone to save you that $20-30 that you would otherwise spend to activate a new phone. It was clear to me while reading that and the Q&A going on below.

          So if you want to avoid the activation fee: Buy a pre-activated droid

          If you want to pay $30 activation: Buy a new droid

          Hope that helped summarize! :D

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        • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

          Like Sterling said, I bought a pre-activated phone to avoid the activation fee from Verizon.

          Also on your other point about data. You said:

          “Oh and make sure you turn off app syncing and background data. Or you’ll get data use as it tries to sync every time you turn on your phone. It comes out to about 50 cents a day if you don’t turn it off (but you’ll have to turn it back on to use the app market though, just turn it back off when you’re done. You can download toggle apps though that make it real easy with one click. “

          However, this is not all true. As I pointed out in reply to the first comment (the one with my screen shots) you only need to turn off ‘Mobile Network’ and ‘Mobile Broadband Connect’. Everything else including the app store works fine using WiFi. I leave Syncing and WiFi on all the time that way when I come in range of a known WiFi network it automatically connects and downloads my updates. So far I have not been charged for any data.

          One last thing, there is a widget built-in to the phones called Power Control that is really good for turning on and off WiFi, GPS, Syncing, and Screen backlight. It does not turn off Mobile data but it makes the others easy to control to save battery life.

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          • Bobby

            So what are the restrictions on the phone to-be-used then? It just has to be a verizon phone?

            The OP said, “So I struck up an email conversation with their customer support [edit:referencing that the following was confirmed by Page Plus]. They were very happy to help and they said yes they could activate the Droid Incredible, but there were two conditions: 1. They phone must have been previously activated by Verizon and 2. They cannot activate a phone that has already been a Verizon prepaid phone.

            So what about condition one? Was that false then?

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          • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

            The restrictions still apply. Page Plus cannot activate this phone if it is locked. The only way to unlock it is to pay either a dealer or Verizon.

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          • Bobby

            Just wondering on my brother’s behalf if it would work to activate a Droid X on PP upon it’s release? Would this have to be confirmed with PP? I don’t see any reason it wouldn’t work. (He would get it like I did: from Verizon with a contract extension of a family member who does not want a smart phone, so it would be “unlocked”/activated and cost the 199 plus the 50ish to buy the family member a “dumb” phone).

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          • Sterling

            Hmmm, with that being said, it sounds to me like the dealer (assuming the phone was never activated) would first activate the phone on Verizon, then would change over to PP right after. Maybe a little trick they know or something, since PP “technically” isn’t the one who you would activate the phone with.

            No facts, just a hypothesis by reading. Either way it doesn’t mater how it gets activated as long as it does, you’ll just have to pay if it hasn’t been activated before. No biggie, you bought a $200 Droid (Incredible = $350+) and will be saving that much on your first month. ;)

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  • Ryan K

    I have been hunting for a good deal for months. I have been with criket for the last 3 years, am I am DONE. 3 years of PAIN and SUFFERING. Now, I want a new, decent phone on a decent network without being robbed. I have spent MANY hours researching my options and THIS IS THE ANSWER. Good job dude.
    Now, all that’s left is data. Come on Page Pus, Give us option 3!!

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    • Sterling

      Cricket is gross, I am terribly sorry you had to live with them that long. Back in high school when Cricket was “the new thing” I had a contest with my Physics lab group: Who got the best reception in the room. Just a normal building, nothing fancy about it. It went like this:

      Cricket girl – 0 bars (shocking? Nope.)
      T-Mobile me – 2 bars (Still no surprise)
      AT&T girl – 2 bars (is that the same tower T-Mo was mooching?)
      Cingular (they were different) – 2 bars (raising the bar, eh?)
      Sprint guy – 3 bars (finally, decent reception!)
      Verizon – 5 bars!! (Just the usual, I guess)

      Either way, Verizon’s network is the best. Any AT&T fanboy is just bitter when they try to convince you otherwise, but everyone REALLY knows Verizon is the best. Thank goodness for their pay-as-you-go partner, Page Plus!! :D :D

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      I wrote them about data and this was their reply:

      “Thank you for your e-mail.

      Page Plus is always looking to expand their services; however, it is our policy that we do not discuss any plans or services that may or may not be offered in the future. Please continue to check our website as this will supply the most updated information.

      We appreciate your suggestions. We will be happy to forward this to the proper department. They will contact you via email if they require additional information.

      Please contact us if we can be of further service.”

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  • LexyGirl

    Would the PP plan work with the droid x?

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      It should work.

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  • Sterling

    I have an update for you all!! As you know if you have been following, I have a droid that has been blocked from Verizon (poo!). Well, I was determined to find a use for it instead of wasted money, and now I have all my bases covered!!

    I use it as an iPod Touch replacement (I’m sooo happy!!!)
    1. Yes, I can still text from Google Voice in wifi
    2. Yes, I can download and use the Marketplace on wifi
    3. Yes, my Droid does everything normal on wifi except call (since there is no phone plan)
    4. Yes, I have found a way to call people from wifi!!!

    I had everything setup, no problem for everything but calling for a while now. But now I know how to make and receive calls as long as I’m in wifi for free (calls out are 1.5c/min so I call long enough to say call me back and it’s free)!! Look for SIPDroid in the app store, it runs a SIP service on your Android phones using wifi when possible. Combine that with sipgate.com (free incoming calls), sipsorcery.com for routing, and Google Voice and you can get free incoming calls and 1.5c/min outgoing calls on wifi all you want!!

    It took some tinkering and playing with (as well as enable wifi as always on and setting to airplane mode) but I was able to do it!! Now my blocked Droid can still be a Droid as normal when I’m in wifi and the best part is it’s FREE!! People just call my GV number and hey, my cell AND my Droid get an incoming call that I can answer on either, woot!!

    Anyway, if anyone else is in the “Droid Solo” boat (cool name for blocked Android phones I made up) then I would love to help!! Just post a reply and I’ll tell you all about my solution and help to set you up as well :)

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    • Keith

      A solution for blocked Droids? You mean bad ESN? I would love to hear it.

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  • Ben

    I just wanted to say thanks for this post. I’m now a happy PP customer and I’m able to:

    1: Use a better phone than I was previsouly
    2: Have a CHEAPER plan that offers me MORE of everything
    3: Not have to deal with a contract whatsoever.

    This is amazing!

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  • bugatti

    verizon page plus doesnt have unlimited web boost does. and i have page plus they just put 5 dollar up

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      Yes we have already discussed this in the comments. I also added an update to the article that indicated that Boost uses the Sprint network, so it is not compatible with the Droid Incredible.

      I’m not sure what you mean by “and i have page plus they just put 5 dollar up” please clarify.

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  • Bobby

    Just an update. Droid X on P+ works great and I am a very happy man with a heavier wallet. Thanks again OP

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  • Ben98GS

    Been following this for a while… Just wish my contract was ending sooner. Hate the fact that any decent phone on Verizon now requires at least the $9.99 data package. Hell the phone that we just got on the last upgrade (which required changing plans from one that just used minutes for data to one that charged per kb/mb or whatever) now requires the $9.99 data plan. Getting tired of having to pay more and more each time I want to upgrade my phone. Looks like I found the loophole here.

    Now if only I could get work to tell me the password to the wifi, then I would have data basically 80% of my day.

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  • Bobby

    Droid X on P+ update: I have a question for anyone to help answer because I don’t have the knowledge. Unlike the incredible, there is nothing in the settings to turn off mobile networks. With the only 50MB provided in this page plus plan, I would like to control when 3G is active or not. This isn’t a huge problem because while in wifi coverage it automatically turns 3G off, and if you don’t use it while outside wifi then the X actually does a pretty good job managing it. The only help I have found was thru plenty of google searching and forum reading, which is to use an app called “anycut”. It allows you to make homescreen shortcuts to anything on the phone. When “phone info” is chosen, it yields different options than in the actual settings for networks. Here, it has: “WCDMA only, GSM auto (PRL), CDMA auto (PRL), CDMA only, EvDO only, GSM/CDMA auto (PRL), and Unknown”. I do not know exactly what all of these would do. Can anyone help? Would switching to one of these options act as a temporary 3G toggle such that my 50MB of data will only be used when I choose to have it on? THANKS A TONNNN

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    • Sterling

      Going by my knowledge, you want “CDMA Only.” CDMA is the way that Verizon and Sprint and a few other carriers have their phones programmed, while GSM is for networks with SIM cards in their phones. Verizon is not such, and EvDO is the data plan for any carrier (correct me if I’m wrong).

      Long story short, choose CDMA Only, no EvDO :)

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      • Bobby

        I’m aware that verizon uses CDMA, and it came with CDMA auto (PRL) on. I am mainly wondering what the difference is if I were to switch to CDMA only. I have seen numerous people suggest that this will cut 3G and save battery as well… but idk how or why. I have it set to not roam at all.

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        • Sterling

          Yes, switching to CDMA only will save battery life (as well as underclocking, but I’ll cover that later if you want ;) ) as it will turn off the EVDO system, meaning zero data sent and received unless you hit a wifi network that you can connect to.

          Just switch it to CDMA only, that’s exactly what it does. When you do that, it cannot and will not send or receive ANY data because the CDMA network can only handle calling and texting, other than that it’s not made for any other data. You’re totally save bro :)

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          • Bobby

            That’s a good point Ryan. Although I’d like to know exactly what is happening btw CDMA auto PRL and CDMA only (which I’m still hoping Sterling can tell me), for practical purposes it is all testable. Even the part where small amounts of data are transmitted, as I can monitor my P+ account usage. I’m not sure I’ll be able to test it today because I can’t at work and then I’m going somewhere where there is no coverage, but tomorrow I’ll post up some results.

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        • Bobby

          That seems to be the fix as others are suggesting. That should all be well and good then… I’ll just monitor my usage until it gets low, and switch to CDMA only until the month ends to ensure there are no overages. Thanks man. Just out of curiosity, do you know of any info online about CDMA only not allowing any data? Just asking because I had trouble finding anything. And just to clarify, you are saying that CDMA only will turn off all data (practically speaking: 3G) and still allow calls and texts and regular phone functions?? Thanks again, I love this article haha

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          • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

            I looked up CDMA on Wikipedia and it indicates that while EV-DO is for broadband data, CDMA is still capable of transmitting small amounts of data (60–100 kbps).

            If it were me I would want to know for sure. So, I would disable WiFi, switch to CDMA, and try opening a web browser, accessing google maps, and the android market. If they connect then you know data is not disabled. I would then try making a phone call, send a text. If they go through you know that part works.

            Just my 2 cents. Better safe than sorry.

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        • Sterling

          Auto PRL means that you are going to use the Preferred Roaming List. It gives you enhancements such as:

          *Longer battery life
          *Fewer dropped or blocked calls
          *Clear, crisp connection in even more areas across the United States
          *Ability to connect to the digital network in more parts of the country

          From what I’ve read, it doesn’t seem to be charging you data to be on this list, just data being used (and I think it’s free) to update it periodically.

          To update:

          1. Power on your Verizon Wireless phone.
          2. Dial *228 from your home digital coverage area, followed by the SEND key. This call is airtime free.
          3. When prompted, press option 2 to update your phones roaming capabilities (This process may take up to 2 minutes).
          4. Once completed, a confirmation message will be played informing you that your phone has been programmed.

          Steps and benefits grabbed from: http://www.verizonwireless.com/care/popups/prl.html
          Read more about PRL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preferred_Roaming_List

          Thanks for asking for my help!! I just came here to ask a few questions but got so absorbed into helping others as well lol!! :D

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      So you pressed menu on the main screen, pressed settings and then Wireless & networks, and you don’t see any options for ‘Mobile network’ or ‘Mobile Broadband Connect’ (I put screen shots in one of my comments at the very beginning)? I think those screens are part of the core Android OS so I am surprised that Motorola removed them, very odd. The only way to be absolutely sure is to have Page Plus block data on their end. This would make it more difficult to turn on an off at a whim, but with only 50MB it will keep you from having to pay the overages.

      Also those options you mention are for which networks you want to connect to and only control roaming.

      P.S. I did a quick Google search for ‘turn off mobile data android’ and came across an app called ‘Quick Settings’. It looks like you can use that app to turn off Mobile data. Try it out and let us know.

      P.P.S I just found out that HTC was nice enough to write a widget just to turn of mobile data. I Love my Droid Incredible and HTC.

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      • Bobby

        That’s all correct Ryan, except for that Moto went to great lengths to make sure the user cannot control this. Some people have guessed that it is because the phone already does a good job controlling it automatically, but I have no idea on that one. I have downloaded somewhere around 10 different apps and widgets that have a toggle or option to disable 3G, all of which were simply not there when downloaded on the X. One of them, with the quick settings app, changed to APN instead of disappearing. Idk what APN is but after going thru the options it was pretty clear that playing with that wasn’t the solution. I’m hoping Froyo yeilds a fix to this, but need a solution either way. To completely disable data on P+ end, I would have to do that thru customer service, right? Perhaps I’ll just leave things as is until I’m down to ~5MB and have them shut it off until the next month. Of course this seems like an unnecessary pain in the ass so i’ll keep searching in the meantime.

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          Yes, the only way to completely disable data is by calling customer service, and yes it will be a pain.

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    • Julian

      I have a droid x. I went to a page plus dealer and he informed me that verizon doesn’t allow them to activate droids or smartphones of any kind. Does any one know this to be true? I want to activate it with page plus solely for the convenience of cheap minutes and texts, I could care less about data and web. Please respond.

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      • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

        So far everyone I have talked to has been successful so I assume the dealer is wrong. I would contact Page Plus directly.

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        • Julian

          Appreciate it. I will when I have time and will let you know how it went. I want to thank you on behalf of the others who have seen this information as useful. I hope your good deed is rewarded.

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  • Jason Mclauchlin

    Ryan, you are a fine human being and you have a fantastic last name, even if it is a letter off :D.

    I am very glad to see that this worked for you, I looked long and hard for a similar solution and eventually settled on a prepaid sim from t-mobile and buying a Samsung vibrant, a beautiful phone with a gorgeous screen and a nice GPU to make it fly.

    The woman at T-mobile in Gainesville GA where I bought the phone asked me to set up a plan, I told her I was using it for “software development purposes” which is mostly true, and she frankly told me that unless I signed up for a full plan with data, that the phone wouldn’t even turn on because of “internet”.

    I kept my cool and told her that I was content to waste my money and she grudgingly sold me the phone.

    I walked out to my car, inserted the battery and my already activated pre-paid sim, turned the phone on right away, and walked back inside, bought a gel-case and then called a friend right in front of her. I talked about how I just bought an android phone without a data plan and everyone in the shop turned their heads.

    I would have been content to keep quiet had she not decided to lie to me.

    When Samsung’s new CMDA phones arrive I would very much like to pick up the EPIC (sprint) with the slide-out keyboard, because I am a gaming junkie and T-mobile’s service is somewhat spotty in my area.

    And thanks to you we now know that to be possible!

    Again, well played, and a very bold move! I will spread this around far and wide.

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    • Sterling

      Nicely done, Jason!! And I can bet you anything (being a family historian) that you and Ryan are probably related somewhere down the line, even if it is just a letter off :)

      I love showing the store people what’s up when they try to “dumb me up” when I know better.

      Let us know how the data usage works on the pay-as-you-go plan!! And who are you going through with the SIM card? Thanks! :D

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      • Jason Mclauchlin

        Oh I probably could have answered you 8 days ago, apologies.

        So far everything is working very well! I’m using a t-mobile prepaid sim card in a t-mobile phone, so unlocking isn’t even necessary for me.

        The phone I have is the samsung vibrant and it is absoultely beautiful, has an amazing screen and massive amounts of horsepower under the hood. I have no data plan at all, not even a 50 meg buffer.

        I am on the 15 dollar unlimited text and picture messaging plan with 10 cents a minute for calls. Just today I got a legit Gizmo5 account on ebay everything is working very well with it so far. I’m able to make unlimited free calls all over the US, but I had to pay 10 dollars for the account itself since gizmo will no longer provide any new ones.

        But so far the only thing I miss not being able to do without the data plan is the Voice to Text feature of android 2.1. It is EXTREMELY powerful and amazingly accurate. It is shocking how well it picks up everything you say.

        It requires data though, your voice is sent and processed through the google server, so you can’t really just dictate text messages to your phone while you drive.

        Again, highly reccomend T-mob prepaid if you have strong GSM service in your area. Also highly recommend the Galaxy S phones. Samsung really went all out with these and the feature list is enough to impress even an old jaded technobuff.

        Stay Frugal!
        Jason (scottish not irish) Mclauchlin

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  • greenwing

    You mention using the Incredible without phone service as a PDA. How would I go about doing that? When I turn mine on it goes into an activation process that doesn’t appear to be avoidable.

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      All you have to do is cancel the activation 3-4 times and it will let you in, Activate->Cancel, Activate->Cancel, Activate->Cancel, Activate->Cancel. It is some kind of override, and it will last until you do a hard reset.

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    • Sterling

      If it’s what I think you’re talking about, you can only go to activate (welcome to Droid), correct? If so, just tap the four corners of the black part of the screen in a clockwise motion from the top left to skip it.

      Refer to this video for help:

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  • Cody

    I saw that on another website that Page Plus had some bad reviews for poor customer service and accidental charges. Some say to go through a dealer specifically kittywireless who have excellent customer service and an autopay service.

    So I was wondering how has your experience been with them? Also should a just deal with them directly or deal wiht kittywireless?

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  • Anthony

    I have used both the Droid Eris and the Motorola Droid on PagePlus. One thing with PagePlus is that you have long wait times on the phone if you ever need to call them. But for the great price and coverage, can’t complain too much right?

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  • Jazzy

    I know this is unrelated to the previous post…but I was trying to find a way to email text to a Page Plus phone. Does anyone know if that is possible and if so what is the email address to use. thanks

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  • Bobby

    Just bought a PIN for the TnT 1200 for month 2 of my usage on P+ and it’s drawing the 29.95 from the balance like normal prepayed, not monthly allowance. There are no numbers for min, txt, data under Talk n Text 1200. Why is this happening? What did I do wrong? It worked fine the first month.

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  • Alan F

    Ryan, this is great. Thank you for the great information. I am thinking about doing the same.

    Have you experienced any issues since activating your Droid Incredible on Page Plus without a data plan?

    I noticed the coverage map on Page Plus’ web site shows numerous roaming spots near my area. Have you encountered roaming problems while using Page Plus?

    Thanks!
    Alan

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      Nope, no problems. I have turned off roaming on my phone so that I will never get charged, I expect that I would get cutoff if I ever hit one of those spots, and I have yet to get cutoff.

      The only problem that I could report is that some apps don’t work via WiFi, but that is the apps fault and not Page Plus.

      If you decide to try it out let us know.

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  • Keith

    This is a GREAT post. I too have spent time in the forums trying to figure this out. The one thing i have found from the forums is that I am an idiot for wanting a Android phone without a data plan, even though I am the one that has figured out why to do it, and they are the ones that can’t understand it…

    You mention some apps that don’t work with Wi-Fi. Can you expand on that some? Also can you give some idea of what won’t work without wi-fi or a data plan? for example, does mapping with location work without wi-fi or a data plan?

    Also, since you seemed to have got lucky with a previously activated phone, is there another way around that now? Or do I really need to find one mark as previously activated.

    Thank you very much.

    PS- You might want to put some of these Q’s into a new post, or update this one again.

    Keith

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  • ChuckLez

    I just got my Droid Incredible on Page Plus and have this story to thank for it. Helped out ALOT in making the decision and getting through activation. Thank you Thank you Thank you. Also, just an xtra tip, it also helps to just turn off 3G all together until needed (although the 3G watchdog app you mentioned is also REALLY nice).

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  • Tom

    For those that have the Incredible. Can you use the GPS or google map without turning on the data?

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      I am able to use Google Navigation just fine without data as long as I plan my route while in range of a WiFi network. It will download the route and the maps and cache them. Then as long as I don’t leave the route it works just fine.

      However, I actually bought CoPilot for my phone (it’s only $4.99 for USA) and it has all the maps cached so I don’t need WiFi or data.

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  • Mark

    How is your call quality and services.I know it is same Verizon network, but I heard that Verizon network may give calls from other providers less prefence in call routing than their calls from its own users. Is it same as Verizon or it drops sometime?

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      As far as I can tell everything is great. I have not noticed any problems, and I have not had anyone I talked to complain about problems.

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  • Nash

    Wait, so let me get this straight, can you still use the Droid Incredible on the Verizon network WITHOUT a data plan? Or is that only possible with the Page Plus company?

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      Yes, that is correct, but it is done through Page Plus. Page Plus uses Verizon’s towers, so they get the same coverage.

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  • Shane

    I have a verizon phone on a company plan with no data. Will this process work for me? I bought the incredible on craigslist and want to use it. Will page plus activate it for me?

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      As long as the phone has never been used as a Verizon prepaid phone then Yes they will activate it.

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  • Everett

    I’m looking to get the Droid 2 without a data plan since I just wouldn’t use it, would this process work the same?

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      It works the same for any Verizon phone.

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      • Everett

        So would the phone would have to be unlocked and have been activated to work? Or can it just be an unlocked phone because it’s quite easy to find an unlocked one compared to finding a previously activated one

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        • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

          Unlocked and Previously activated are the same thing.

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  • Shane

    So all I have to do once I get the phone in hand is call Page plus and they will activate it for me. As I said yesterday I am on a company plan that has no data package thru verizon. And once verizon sees that I’m using a HTC Incredible they will not try and tack on the data package and get me in trouble with my company?

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      As far as I know Verizon has nothing to do with this process. They should never see what kind of phone you have. I think Page Plus just uses their towers so you get the same great coverage. I have been using Page Plus for about 6 months with a Droid Incredible and Verizon has never contacted me about anything.

      Second, since you bought this phone yourself why would your company care how you activate it? If your company is super controlling and they don’t want you to have a phone other than what they supply, then that is a whole different issue. If you are concerned, then a quick trip to your HR department should clear things up.

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    • Todd

      Shane,
      You can activate the phone and port the number yourself: http://www.pagepluscellular.com/Online%20Store/Activate.aspx

      I went into the reseller to get a card and do it all at once. If I had to do it agin, I would have done it online, without talking to anyone. Get an $80 card ($.04/min) and then activate it yourslef.

      Thanks, Ryan! I fumbled with the process a bit while I extricated myself from Verizon but everything is working great and I’m using my Incredible with prepaid minutes through Page Plus.

      Todd

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  • Shawn

    hey i got a droid incredible with a bad esn is there anyway i can make it work on a server???

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      The most you can hope for is to use it as a PDA. I don’t think any phone company will activate it, but you could call them and check if you really want to know.

      Using it as a PDA will still give you 99% of the functionality, you could even download Google Voice and make calls through it. You just have to be within range of a WiFi network.

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  • Dave

    I read that unlocked and previously activated is the same thing, does anyone know if any of the refurbished or factory reconditioned phones (with clean ESN) would fall under the same category? Would it depend on if the internals were replaced or wipped clean?
    This article is exactly what i’ve been looking for. THANKS!

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  • Zak

    Hi, I’m about to embark on this awesome idea for my girlfriend. I am curious about what area of the country you’re in (does it matter?) and how you go about updating the OS (or do you use a ROM?)

    Thanks in advance,
    ZAK

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      It does not matter what part of the country you are in as long as it has good coverage from Verizon. Also it does not matter what OS the phone has. If you want the latest you can either hack it and load a custom ROM (I use Virtuous) or it may be possible that the updates would be push down to your phone automatically (I don’t know for sure because I use a custom ROM and auto updates are disabled). You may even be able to take it into a Verizon store and have them update the phone (not sure on this one either, but worth a try).

      As far as hacking the phone, I wrote a blog post about that also. You can find it here: How and why I rooted my Droid Incredible

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  • Tom

    Just activated a Samsung Fascinate with Page Plus over the weekend. Everything worked out great. $30 a month from now on!!!! Thanks a million!!!

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  • Vikki

    I AM SO GLAD I SAW THIS BLOG!! I have given up with my iphones, and I was just hours away from buying a $349 prepaid droid incredible online from verizon.. now im getting it much cheaper on ebay and plan to use PagePlus. Thank you so so so much! im going to post this link on facebook so i can help save everyone else money also.
    I do have one question tho that i havent found the answer to.. i want to use the 20mb data plan but just how much is that?? can you get your email sent to your droid without using MB?? or about how many apps would i be able to download before i used up 10mb?

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      Everything that uses data (downloading apps, email, web browsing, twitter, etc) is going to eat away at your 20mb. You will find that it can get used up very quickly. I have the 50mb plan and I could easily use it up in a couple days if I left data on all the time. I keep my data off and mostly use Wi-Fi (this hurts battery life, but I can live with it). I only turn on data when I am on the road and I need to check an address online or something, I really like to save it for emergencies.

      It is very hard to estimate how much data you will use. That is why I use an app called dodol PhoneUsage. This app keeps track of how much data, how many voice minutes, and how many texts I have used. Emails can use up a lot of data if they have attachments, or graphics. App downloading is a real killer, app can be big. I have downloaded a game the other day that was small to begin with, but after installing it, it had to download 150MB of extra data before I could use it.

      I hope this answer has been helpful.

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  • Andy

    Hi. Awesome blog. Thank you. One question. Do smart phones, specifically the droid X, still require previous verizon activation before you are eligible to use pageplus? and 2. how hard is it to locate someone on Ebay with an already activated phone? Any advice to spot them?

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  • Lindsey

    I am quite impressed by your research, one question I do have, If you friend has a Verizon wireless phone and calls you on a page plus plan do they use up their minutes or would it be free moblie to moblie minutes for them?

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      I checked my wifes bill and her calls to me are using up minutes. As soon as her contract is up (10 months left) we will be switching her to Page Plus also.

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  • Kris

    How is your coverage with Page Plus service? Does it cover as much as Verizon? Does it use all of Verizon’s towers and such thereby creating the same coverage area?

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      My coverage is great. As far as I know, Page Plus uses all of Verizon’s towers. You can compare the Page Plus coverage map and the Verizon coverage map. For my area they are the same.

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  • Mrtall33

    This is exactly what I’ve been looking for! My mom is getting a new phone, and was thinking about replacing her old broken one with a smartphone. But then there’s the $30/month data fee which makes it a rather expensive choice. So this is great news that we have the option of Droid without the 3G. Thanks!

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  • mike m

    Question – if someone calls you from verizon, since you are on the verizon network does it count towards their mobile-to-mobile minutes or not? Does anyone out there have this situation? Tested it?

    I’d like to switch from Verizon, but my wife is stuck for a couple of years and I’d like to know which pot of minutes it will come out of when she calls me. (not to mention family and friends).

    Thanks!

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      I answered this already 3 comments above yours. Even though Page Plus is using the Verizon Towers, they are considered a separate network and so calling a Page Plus phone is like calling any phone on a different network. You are both going to be billed for minutes.

      My wife and I are in the same situation, and when her contract is up I will be switching her over to Page Plus.

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      • mike m

        My bad! Thanks for the info.

        So when I switch do I need to call Verizon to cancel my account, or does PagePlus handle that when I do the transfer number?

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        • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

          Page Plus handles everything.

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          • mike m

            would you recommend doing it online or over the phone w/ page plus. I thought I saw that they wanted usernames and passwords for the number xfer.

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          • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

            I did mine online. Then followed up on the phone when it didn’t go through. I apparently had to call my old provider and give them permission to release the number.

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  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6WQ6W4F4GS2S2EZ6QZXC4BYRGA IthinkN

    If you do decide you’d rather be on Boost, there are people offering to flash the Droid Incredible to it (and yes, if done correctly, everything works). You can usually find the $50 refills for $47 with no tax and with Shrinkage you’ll end up paying almost the same as your plan on Page Plus after about a year and a half. Once you have always-on unlimited internet, you won’t want to go back.

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  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6WQ6W4F4GS2S2EZ6QZXC4BYRGA IthinkN

    If you do decide you’d rather be on Boost, there are people offering to flash the Droid Incredible to it (and yes, if done correctly, everything works). You can usually find the $50 refills for $47 with no tax and with Shrinkage you’ll end up paying almost the same as your plan on Page Plus after about a year and a half. Once you have always-on unlimited internet, you won’t want to go back.

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  • mike m

    Just wanted to post my experience. I went through Kitty Wireless and they had my number ported from Verizon to PP in a matter of hours (like 2-3) for 15 bucks. I also signed up on a monthly renewal through them – I like having someone between me and PP given that their customer service sounds like it has been lacking.

    So far so good! Reception is good, as good as it was on Verizon. On my Droid X, there is a menu option to disable 3g data that has been a serious helper to me, but depends on if you are running Stock or a ROM. In stock it is in Settings->Data Management->Mobile Networks->Data Enabled. In Liberty it is in Settings->Wireless & Network Settings->Mobile Networks->Data Enabled. No more 3g data unless Daddy says so!

    Thanks for this blog post – it is what convinced me to switch.

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  • Brit

    Where can i send you a personal message about my cellular device? You seem to have great knowledge on this subject. Well I might as well post it here. I recently purchased a Droid Incredible from a website; not knowing the esn is bad. I dont know what exactly to do with the device. I was being told I can still use it but verizon will not activate it. The farthest I have gotten on this phone is Welcome-select language-Problem with activation…. Im pretty much stuff and now this phone is useless to me. If you have any suggestions please let me know..
    Thanks.

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      You can unlock the device by trying to activate it 3 times (might be 4). After it fails to activate a few times it will automatically unlock. At this point you can use it as a PDA, make calls through skype/google voice.

      As far as the bad ESN, you can call PagePlus and see if they are willing to activate it. Also I have heard that you can flash the phone for use on other networks. However, I don’t have any experience with that process. I’m sure if you search for instructions on how to flash the phone you will find your answer.

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  • Maschwar77

    I just activated an LG Vortex yesterday with Page Plus and it works flawlessly.  I would really like to see Page Plus offer more data.  It does not have to be unlimited but 2GB would be nice!

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  • Tad

    This is not bad.  Last year I purchased an unlocked Nexus One to use on Tmobile.  I signed up for their 1500 Prepaid plan, which give me 1500 minutes/texts (each text is treated as one minute) and 30MB of data.  

    Normally, after the phone goes to sleep it turns off wifi and switches to the 3G connection to save battery.  I installed “WiFi Keep Alive” which prevents the wifi from turning off.  I also disabled any auto-update of applications.  Since I have wifi at home and work, I rarely use data.  Google Navigation is the biggest hog, but I’ve never used all 30MB in a month, even when I travelled to San Fran for 5 days and had no wifi and used Google Navigation all week.

    TMobile does have very good coverage, so after reading this article, I purchased a Droid Incredible off eBay and I’ll be switching to PP this week.  I’ll get more data and better coverage for the same price.

    Thanks!

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    • Tad

      I meant to say: “TMobile does NOT have very good coverate…”

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  • SHERICKAMYERS

    SINCE YOU HAVE DONE WAT I HAVE MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER MY QUESTION.. I SWITCHED MY HTC DROID INCREDIBLE 2 TO PAGE PLUS AFTER I DID THAT IT SAYS I HAVE NO MOBILE NETWORK. I CANT GO CHECK OUT APPS OR GO ON THE INTERNET OR SEND PICS.. MY 3G SYMBOL AT THE TOP OF MY PHONE DISAPPEARED. WHATS WRONG?

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      First of all, typing in all caps is like yelling, and it is not nice to yell at someone when you are asking for their help.

      Second, as mentioned in the article PagePlus offers only limited data in their plans, and that is only if you signed up for a plan with data. I signed up for the “Talk n Text 1200″ plan which gives me 100mb of data. To turn data on and off I hold down the power button and click the screen where it says “Mobile Network”. However, because of the limited data I use WiFi most of the time.

      Third, I don’t have any experience with the Droid Incredible 2, so I don’t know if it is compatible. You will need to call PagePlus and ask them what the problem is.

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  • Mjslaunwhite

    I’m excited to try it myself, but who knows that I’ll get out of a 1-year old blog post.  Is everything still going okay with this method?  I hope it is because this blog post has the most information I’ve been able to find about switching from Version to PagePlus.  Eat it verizon!

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      Everything is still working great for me.

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  • Erik

    Thanks for this article, I just got Page Plus with my Droid 2, it works great!

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  • Brent

    This is a very informative post.  I have a related question.  I need to purchase an Android phone but only for the purposes of using WiFi.  I do not want to activate the cellular service.  Is this possible?  Your post describes using WiFi while you waited for your number to transfer for activation.  Any ideas on whether or not WiFi functions out of the box on Android phones without activating the phone?

    Thanks
    Brent

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      This is definitely possible. I have purchased several Android phones with bad ESN and I give them to my kids and they use them like an iPod touch (Music/Camera/Movies/Games). They work great and because it has a bad ESN it cannot be activated.

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  • Griffin Klema

    Because of the other person’s comment about having a problem with the Incredible 2, I just picked up an Incredible. Everything works. Quick activation with Page Plus (great customer service too), no problems.

    Awesome post Ryan!

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  • berper

    I onw a droid x. its not active and i have subsequently switched over to my old intensity. i switched becaue the data plan was too muc.i was informed of a way to reactivate it without paying the data but still being able to use it. these are just rumours and shitty online sources but does anyone know whether there is any truth to these claims? and if so fill me in

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  • Winston Paul

    Having done a ton of activations etc. I can say you don’t know much about it.

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    • http://www.justechn.com Ryan McLaughlin

      Would you care to elaborate? Please explain where you think I am wrong. I am sure we can all benefit from your vast experience with activations.

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